1 00:00:04,160 --> 00:00:02,389 and it hits me oh my gosh this is that 2 00:00:05,360 --> 00:00:04,170 triangle you know there's explanation 3 00:00:07,309 --> 00:00:05,370 for everything that occurred in the 4 00:00:09,410 --> 00:00:07,319 rendlesham forest incident that doesn't 5 00:00:13,190 --> 00:00:09,420 involve aliens at all it was completely 6 00:00:16,039 --> 00:00:13,200 silent it comes right over our head it's 7 00:00:17,660 --> 00:00:16,049 so a classic flying-saucer really 8 00:00:19,400 --> 00:00:17,670 standing in the clearing he turned over 9 00:00:20,779 --> 00:00:19,410 to my father and held his hand and he 10 00:00:25,759 --> 00:00:20,789 looked in his eyes and said we're not 11 00:00:28,070 --> 00:00:25,769 alone welcome to Podcast UFO with martin 12 00:00:31,429 --> 00:00:28,080 willis and michael luke please remember 13 00:00:33,620 --> 00:00:31,439 to visit the website podcast UFO com 14 00:00:36,319 --> 00:00:33,630 check out the latest blogs and forums 15 00:00:39,860 --> 00:00:36,329 and while you're there don't forget to 16 00:00:41,450 --> 00:00:39,870 like our very active Facebook page hello 17 00:00:44,360 --> 00:00:41,460 and welcome to the show I'm Martin 18 00:00:48,110 --> 00:00:44,370 Willis your host Michael Luke is out 19 00:00:50,150 --> 00:00:48,120 sick he has lost his voice I asked him 20 00:00:52,459 --> 00:00:50,160 if he could do sign language we could 21 00:00:54,080 --> 00:00:52,469 capture it on skype but he will not be 22 00:00:56,779 --> 00:00:54,090 joining us for the news this week and 23 00:01:00,560 --> 00:00:56,789 next week I will be traveling across the 24 00:01:03,080 --> 00:01:00,570 country so I will not be able to record 25 00:01:05,210 --> 00:01:03,090 news with him we will still have a show 26 00:01:07,219 --> 00:01:05,220 that will be with Stanton Friedman 27 00:01:08,719 --> 00:01:07,229 always a fun guests to have on i'm not 28 00:01:11,899 --> 00:01:08,729 sure what the first part of the show is 29 00:01:14,539 --> 00:01:11,909 going to be today's podcast is number 68 30 00:01:17,420 --> 00:01:14,549 with Steve Pearce steve was one of the 31 00:01:21,080 --> 00:01:17,430 witnesses that was in the truck during 32 00:01:23,270 --> 00:01:21,090 the Travis Walton case back in 1975 i'll 33 00:01:27,469 --> 00:01:23,280 be speaking with him at a conference so 34 00:01:29,450 --> 00:01:27,479 please excuse the background noise well 35 00:01:32,420 --> 00:01:29,460 lately there's a lot of buzz going 36 00:01:36,080 --> 00:01:32,430 around about the recent discovery of 37 00:01:39,170 --> 00:01:36,090 slides that allegedly came from Roswell 38 00:01:41,210 --> 00:01:39,180 back in 1947 you'll see it plastered all 39 00:01:44,389 --> 00:01:41,220 over the Internet i'm going to read an 40 00:01:47,300 --> 00:01:44,399 excerpt here from before it's news the 41 00:01:50,139 --> 00:01:47,310 truth in the past few months the rumors 42 00:01:52,730 --> 00:01:50,149 have swirled that members of the Roswell 43 00:01:55,520 --> 00:01:52,740 investigation team had become aware of 44 00:01:59,020 --> 00:01:55,530 two photographic slides depicting an 45 00:02:01,969 --> 00:01:59,030 alien humanoid creature this is true and 46 00:02:04,429 --> 00:02:01,979 it is equally true that they may 47 00:02:07,100 --> 00:02:04,439 represent the first genuine physical 48 00:02:09,529 --> 00:02:07,110 evidence in support of reality of the 49 00:02:12,559 --> 00:02:09,539 crash of extraterrestrial beings near 50 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:12,569 roswell new mexico over six decades ago 51 00:02:16,250 --> 00:02:14,250 the stunning his store 52 00:02:18,710 --> 00:02:16,260 rec photographs have been confirmed to 53 00:02:21,050 --> 00:02:18,720 have been imaged on two kodachrome 54 00:02:24,350 --> 00:02:21,060 slides dating from the year nineteen 55 00:02:26,810 --> 00:02:24,360 forty-seven the year of the UFO crash 56 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:26,820 there is no indication of retouching 57 00:02:31,340 --> 00:02:28,770 digital enhancement or other 58 00:02:35,030 --> 00:02:31,350 photographic hoax technique they are 59 00:02:37,940 --> 00:02:35,040 clear in color up close and taken from 60 00:02:40,190 --> 00:02:37,950 two separate angles these slides were 61 00:02:43,820 --> 00:02:40,200 found hidden in an attic in a chest 62 00:02:45,830 --> 00:02:43,830 having belonged to a deceased couple the 63 00:02:48,740 --> 00:02:45,840 author made the incredible discovery 64 00:02:51,850 --> 00:02:48,750 that the husband was a very prominent 65 00:02:55,160 --> 00:02:51,860 petroleum geologist who conducted oil 66 00:02:58,850 --> 00:02:55,170 exploration expeditions in the 1940s in 67 00:03:02,030 --> 00:02:58,860 West Texas and in New Mexico this area 68 00:03:04,640 --> 00:03:02,040 also encompassed the Permian Basin an 69 00:03:08,030 --> 00:03:04,650 area that includes Roswell New Mexico 70 00:03:11,360 --> 00:03:08,040 rather than depicting the popular 71 00:03:13,520 --> 00:03:11,370 culture image of aliens in the 1940s 72 00:03:16,160 --> 00:03:13,530 they showed the image of a small 73 00:03:19,340 --> 00:03:16,170 humanoid alien like those aliens 74 00:03:22,280 --> 00:03:19,350 described by witnesses to Roswell I have 75 00:03:25,039 --> 00:03:22,290 long time Roswell investigator Don 76 00:03:27,590 --> 00:03:25,049 Schmidt on skype now and Don what do you 77 00:03:29,630 --> 00:03:27,600 say about all this well wouldn't it be 78 00:03:31,910 --> 00:03:29,640 wonderful if such a story was true and 79 00:03:35,150 --> 00:03:31,920 even then fifty percent of the people 80 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:35,160 would still discounted it's just just in 81 00:03:39,740 --> 00:03:37,890 their nature that I find people that 82 00:03:41,780 --> 00:03:39,750 tend to be skeptical on the subject that 83 00:03:43,819 --> 00:03:41,790 the more facts the more truth you 84 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:43,829 present them the more documentation the 85 00:03:50,030 --> 00:03:46,290 more evidence the more they entrenched 86 00:03:53,330 --> 00:03:50,040 themselves to you know even disbelieve 87 00:03:55,610 --> 00:03:53,340 all the more ardently I also find it 88 00:03:59,270 --> 00:03:55,620 amusing that you know the total 89 00:04:02,180 --> 00:03:59,280 hypocrisy of the very debunkers who have 90 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:02,190 never given us the time of day who now 91 00:04:06,259 --> 00:04:03,930 assign themselves as though they're part 92 00:04:12,050 --> 00:04:06,269 of the UFO community and that we owe 93 00:04:15,350 --> 00:04:12,060 them anything that you know for all of 94 00:04:19,280 --> 00:04:15,360 the attempts on our part to establish 95 00:04:20,870 --> 00:04:19,290 what did happen back in 1947 no one has 96 00:04:24,380 --> 00:04:20,880 investigated the alternative 97 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:24,390 explanations more than we have mm-hmm no 98 00:04:28,220 --> 00:04:26,490 one has ever been there offering to help 99 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:28,230 as far as n 100 00:04:35,450 --> 00:04:32,490 these rumormongers when it came to 101 00:04:38,380 --> 00:04:35,460 tracking down all the witnesses whether 102 00:04:42,650 --> 00:04:38,390 it was Kevin Randall or Tom Carey and 103 00:04:45,170 --> 00:04:42,660 other members of our team as far as 104 00:04:48,350 --> 00:04:45,180 traveling too close to 40 states around 105 00:04:50,990 --> 00:04:48,360 the country at our own expense we've had 106 00:04:54,410 --> 00:04:51,000 three archaeological digs at the debris 107 00:04:59,110 --> 00:04:54,420 field we're in the process of conducting 108 00:05:01,610 --> 00:04:59,120 a fourth again at our own expense and 109 00:05:04,580 --> 00:05:01,620 where I have these people been all along 110 00:05:07,580 --> 00:05:04,590 and yet when we tried we attempt to 111 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:07,590 perform due diligence in establishing 112 00:05:14,510 --> 00:05:11,970 whether something is genuine i hearken 113 00:05:17,330 --> 00:05:14,520 back to what I personally experienced 114 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:17,340 with the mj-12 documents I was then on 115 00:05:23,270 --> 00:05:19,530 the board of directors at the Center for 116 00:05:25,910 --> 00:05:23,280 UFO studies in Chicago and I received a 117 00:05:29,830 --> 00:05:25,920 phone call from one of the my fellow 118 00:05:34,190 --> 00:05:29,840 board members about these documents 119 00:05:37,960 --> 00:05:34,200 sight unseen I was asked to go to Paul 120 00:05:40,850 --> 00:05:37,970 Harvey the late ABC news commentator 121 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:40,860 because after dr. Hynek had passed away 122 00:05:47,960 --> 00:05:44,490 I was the one who then was selected to 123 00:05:51,380 --> 00:05:47,970 brief him on a regular basis regarding 124 00:05:53,690 --> 00:05:51,390 the subject of UFOs so don you know Paul 125 00:05:55,880 --> 00:05:53,700 Harvey you have to you know get these 126 00:05:58,490 --> 00:05:55,890 documents to him well I haven't seen 127 00:06:00,500 --> 00:05:58,500 these documents well you know they look 128 00:06:04,790 --> 00:06:00,510 good they look good well who are they 129 00:06:10,370 --> 00:06:04,800 from well they look good and it cost me 130 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:10,380 my friendship with Paul Harvey and it's 131 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:13,410 another example of where it's either a 132 00:06:18,650 --> 00:06:16,530 case of investigative malpractice on the 133 00:06:21,500 --> 00:06:18,660 part of individuals who rush a judgment 134 00:06:24,140 --> 00:06:21,510 as much as it is those who are clamoring 135 00:06:28,040 --> 00:06:24,150 for evidence to be presented for no 136 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:28,050 other reason no other purpose than to 137 00:06:34,250 --> 00:06:32,250 attack it then to destroy it and that's 138 00:06:39,590 --> 00:06:34,260 why I find it all of them more 139 00:06:41,930 --> 00:06:39,600 hypocritical that the very people who 140 00:06:44,150 --> 00:06:41,940 are spreading all the rumors are 141 00:06:47,060 --> 00:06:44,160 first ones that say that no such 142 00:06:50,270 --> 00:06:47,070 evidence could even exist that if it 143 00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:50,280 were genuine it has to be a fake it has 144 00:06:56,150 --> 00:06:53,730 to be hoaxed it can't be accepted as 145 00:06:59,600 --> 00:06:56,160 reliable because there are no such 146 00:07:02,140 --> 00:06:59,610 things UFOs don't exist the double 147 00:07:05,540 --> 00:07:02,150 standard the double standard here and 148 00:07:08,300 --> 00:07:05,550 but you know as I as I mentioned Martin 149 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:08,310 we're having another dig and of any of 150 00:07:13,190 --> 00:07:10,530 these people you know would like to join 151 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:13,200 us you'll actually come out and actually 152 00:07:19,340 --> 00:07:16,650 get away from their their blogs their 153 00:07:22,210 --> 00:07:19,350 computers leave the whole the house once 154 00:07:25,310 --> 00:07:22,220 in a while now get their hands dirty 155 00:07:26,690 --> 00:07:25,320 I'll guarantee you if you if you come 156 00:07:28,550 --> 00:07:26,700 out and help us you're going to have 157 00:07:30,620 --> 00:07:28,560 blisters you're going to be sunburned 158 00:07:32,870 --> 00:07:30,630 you're going to be exhausted at the end 159 00:07:34,490 --> 00:07:32,880 of each day but you're going to feel 160 00:07:38,300 --> 00:07:34,500 like you finally contributed something 161 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:38,310 in a search for the truth I have little 162 00:07:43,570 --> 00:07:40,490 respect a little patience for people 163 00:07:47,690 --> 00:07:43,580 then for no other reason than their own 164 00:07:51,380 --> 00:07:47,700 self-serving agendas who try to force us 165 00:07:56,120 --> 00:07:51,390 into playing our hands before we're 166 00:07:59,300 --> 00:07:56,130 ready before we have disclosed something 167 00:08:01,250 --> 00:07:59,310 and we are confident that beyond a 168 00:08:05,570 --> 00:08:01,260 shadow of a doubt that we have performed 169 00:08:08,380 --> 00:08:05,580 all due diligence and then as a result 170 00:08:12,490 --> 00:08:08,390 we present it not to the UFO community 171 00:08:14,870 --> 00:08:12,500 we go to the media we go to the public 172 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:14,880 because it's a subject as you know 173 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:17,370 Martin we're walking on eggshells it's 174 00:08:24,110 --> 00:08:20,130 such a taboo topic on the face of it 175 00:08:27,260 --> 00:08:24,120 it's it's kryptonite to the media to the 176 00:08:31,310 --> 00:08:27,270 scientific community and you know what 177 00:08:35,450 --> 00:08:31,320 good if there's any chance if such 178 00:08:38,899 --> 00:08:35,460 slides do in fact exist and they do but 179 00:08:41,659 --> 00:08:38,909 potentially provide genuine proof you 180 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:41,669 know once and for all first of all no 181 00:08:45,740 --> 00:08:44,010 such photographs ever prove anything by 182 00:08:48,530 --> 00:08:45,750 today's standards anything can be 183 00:08:51,290 --> 00:08:48,540 doctored anything can be faked so all 184 00:08:54,350 --> 00:08:51,300 the more reason one has to be all the 185 00:08:55,670 --> 00:08:54,360 more cautious sure but say it truly 186 00:08:58,550 --> 00:08:55,680 depicts 187 00:09:01,820 --> 00:08:58,560 something of this extraordinary nature 188 00:09:04,910 --> 00:09:01,830 there's a lot to lose but there's so 189 00:09:07,730 --> 00:09:04,920 much more to gain in da ting while the 190 00:09:09,829 --> 00:09:07,740 eyes crossing all the T's and just 191 00:09:12,530 --> 00:09:09,839 making sure that we don't have a repeat 192 00:09:15,380 --> 00:09:12,540 of what happened with the mj-12 193 00:09:17,060 --> 00:09:15,390 documents or all the other photographs 194 00:09:19,519 --> 00:09:17,070 that have circulated through the years 195 00:09:22,639 --> 00:09:19,529 and have turned out to be bogus why 196 00:09:25,250 --> 00:09:22,649 would I why would like my any other the 197 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:25,260 members of Mike my team wanna be party 198 00:09:31,190 --> 00:09:29,610 to another such fiasco and I can assure 199 00:09:33,889 --> 00:09:31,200 you Martin the people that are again 200 00:09:36,829 --> 00:09:33,899 creating the fiasco and spreading the 201 00:09:38,810 --> 00:09:36,839 rumors are not part of the team are not 202 00:09:41,120 --> 00:09:38,820 the ones who are spending the money 203 00:09:43,310 --> 00:09:41,130 making all the trips as far as 204 00:09:45,500 --> 00:09:43,320 conducting all the research they're just 205 00:09:48,199 --> 00:09:45,510 those that are just waiting to play 206 00:09:52,519 --> 00:09:48,209 gotcha think that we once again you know 207 00:09:53,930 --> 00:09:52,529 we rushed the gun we didn't prove beyond 208 00:09:56,210 --> 00:09:53,940 a shadow of a doubt we were dealing with 209 00:09:58,519 --> 00:09:56,220 something authentic and as a result you 210 00:10:00,260 --> 00:09:58,529 know we're a bunch of bumbling idiots 211 00:10:03,350 --> 00:10:00,270 once again stumbling around in the dark 212 00:10:06,620 --> 00:10:03,360 and I'm not going to have any part of 213 00:10:09,019 --> 00:10:06,630 that again now if you could be talking 214 00:10:10,699 --> 00:10:09,029 directly to the person that is coming 215 00:10:12,620 --> 00:10:10,709 forward claiming they have these slides 216 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:12,630 in hand what advice would you give them 217 00:10:19,150 --> 00:10:14,610 well first of all not go to the UFO 218 00:10:22,940 --> 00:10:19,160 community and secondly I would honestly 219 00:10:27,019 --> 00:10:22,950 suggest that they do not contact the 220 00:10:33,650 --> 00:10:27,029 media that they themselves would perform 221 00:10:36,940 --> 00:10:33,660 all of the necessary testing check out 222 00:10:40,310 --> 00:10:36,950 as far as with photo labs with as far as 223 00:10:45,019 --> 00:10:40,320 Eastman Kodak for example make sure that 224 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:45,029 the images are again dated that it can 225 00:10:51,860 --> 00:10:47,130 be established that they are of that 226 00:10:55,310 --> 00:10:51,870 time era we have never and I can't think 227 00:10:58,190 --> 00:10:55,320 of anybody as far as on the team have 228 00:11:00,860 --> 00:10:58,200 suggested that if such slides or such 229 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:00,870 images such photographs such it's it was 230 00:11:06,140 --> 00:11:02,490 even suggested at one time this was a 231 00:11:08,879 --> 00:11:06,150 diary you know with a personal log of 232 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:08,889 what transpired back in 47 233 00:11:14,009 --> 00:11:11,290 we have never suggested that this has 234 00:11:16,619 --> 00:11:14,019 anything to do with Roswell we don't use 235 00:11:18,749 --> 00:11:16,629 the word when it comes to such evidence 236 00:11:20,849 --> 00:11:18,759 no different than during our 237 00:11:23,669 --> 00:11:20,859 archaeological work should we find 238 00:11:26,789 --> 00:11:23,679 something because how do you establish 239 00:11:28,829 --> 00:11:26,799 how do you draw the connection unless 240 00:11:32,939 --> 00:11:28,839 you're there at the time of the incident 241 00:11:34,829 --> 00:11:32,949 you can infer that it is and unless it's 242 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:34,839 actually something that is stamped you 243 00:11:41,879 --> 00:11:38,410 know UFO 1947 or roswell incident you 244 00:11:45,269 --> 00:11:41,889 know it you certainly Martin you 245 00:11:49,559 --> 00:11:45,279 remember the alien autopsy file yes yeah 246 00:11:53,489 --> 00:11:49,569 and how quickly they try to write on our 247 00:11:56,999 --> 00:11:53,499 coattails by suggesting that it was from 248 00:11:59,099 --> 00:11:57,009 Roswell that the body yes being autopsy 249 00:12:00,960 --> 00:11:59,109 was from Roswell well we were the ones 250 00:12:05,220 --> 00:12:00,970 who immediately put our feet down and 251 00:12:08,699 --> 00:12:05,230 said you know you cease and desist in 252 00:12:10,769 --> 00:12:08,709 unless it's takes beyond a shadow of a 253 00:12:12,569 --> 00:12:10,779 doubt and there's documentation to that 254 00:12:15,150 --> 00:12:12,579 effect that this indeed doesn't have all 255 00:12:17,489 --> 00:12:15,160 the recovery of Roswell we wish you 256 00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:17,499 would stop we want you to stop we demand 257 00:12:21,329 --> 00:12:18,970 that you stop and they did and they 258 00:12:23,759 --> 00:12:21,339 change the date they moved it up a month 259 00:12:26,759 --> 00:12:23,769 claimed it was from another incident wow 260 00:12:30,210 --> 00:12:26,769 you see the media continues to still 261 00:12:32,069 --> 00:12:30,220 call it the Roswell alien autopsy yeah 262 00:12:36,299 --> 00:12:32,079 it just kind of muddies it even more now 263 00:12:38,819 --> 00:12:36,309 I know that there was rumors circulating 264 00:12:40,949 --> 00:12:38,829 around that Kevin Randall had some input 265 00:12:42,929 --> 00:12:40,959 about this and then I saw a statement 266 00:12:47,210 --> 00:12:42,939 that he said no he has nothing to do 267 00:12:52,259 --> 00:12:47,220 with this and we we have intentionally 268 00:12:55,169 --> 00:12:52,269 you know kept quiet for the fact that we 269 00:12:57,600 --> 00:12:55,179 don't have all the information we don't 270 00:13:01,650 --> 00:12:57,610 have access to all the data it's still 271 00:13:04,350 --> 00:13:01,660 very fluid it's still something that we 272 00:13:07,529 --> 00:13:04,360 haven't shared and we haven't discussed 273 00:13:11,210 --> 00:13:07,539 openly even between our cell is because 274 00:13:17,579 --> 00:13:11,220 the the people that are in direct 275 00:13:21,409 --> 00:13:17,589 possession of any such evidence we have 276 00:13:22,680 --> 00:13:21,419 allowed them to make every effort to 277 00:13:26,040 --> 00:13:22,690 verify 278 00:13:30,810 --> 00:13:26,050 authenticate such evidence should it 279 00:13:34,920 --> 00:13:30,820 exist and with our cooperation and with 280 00:13:38,640 --> 00:13:34,930 our input with our involvement we have 281 00:13:41,910 --> 00:13:38,650 also made efforts toward identification 282 00:13:47,640 --> 00:13:41,920 and as a result it's going to be drawn 283 00:13:52,460 --> 00:13:47,650 out I'm sorry the legitimate people in 284 00:13:55,980 --> 00:13:52,470 this field realize that photographs and 285 00:13:59,310 --> 00:13:55,990 videos and documents as we were 286 00:14:02,880 --> 00:13:59,320 discussing earlier with mj-12 unless you 287 00:14:06,750 --> 00:14:02,890 can establish the pedigree yeah you're 288 00:14:10,790 --> 00:14:06,760 you're left with establishing the 289 00:14:15,110 --> 00:14:10,800 authenticity of the evidence itself and 290 00:14:19,350 --> 00:14:15,120 as a result we don't have a chain of 291 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:19,360 transference we can't plug as far as 292 00:14:26,550 --> 00:14:22,330 this chain of evidence from A to B to C 293 00:14:29,660 --> 00:14:26,560 we're left with a dangling Chad so to 294 00:14:34,920 --> 00:14:29,670 speak you know from a voting ballot 295 00:14:36,810 --> 00:14:34,930 without a name on it and we're trying to 296 00:14:39,510 --> 00:14:36,820 establish now which wait is that the 297 00:14:43,220 --> 00:14:39,520 Chad who is it actually you know voting 298 00:14:46,440 --> 00:14:43,230 for whose it was it actually indicating 299 00:14:49,350 --> 00:14:46,450 so please respect and I ask everyone 300 00:14:52,700 --> 00:14:49,360 please it's going to take time and 301 00:14:56,550 --> 00:14:52,710 that's all that anything of this nature 302 00:14:59,070 --> 00:14:56,560 it still comes down to right so just 303 00:15:01,380 --> 00:14:59,080 getting back to the dig you have coming 304 00:15:02,730 --> 00:15:01,390 up you sort of indicated that you know 305 00:15:05,040 --> 00:15:02,740 people could come out and help if 306 00:15:07,020 --> 00:15:05,050 someone's actually serious and wants to 307 00:15:08,490 --> 00:15:07,030 actually help with this how how would 308 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:08,500 they reach you how would they get in 309 00:15:14,190 --> 00:15:10,450 touch with you well certainly at the 310 00:15:16,260 --> 00:15:14,200 website WWE as well investigator calm 311 00:15:19,620 --> 00:15:16,270 and we have contact information there 312 00:15:24,210 --> 00:15:19,630 with the upcoming project we're 313 00:15:26,490 --> 00:15:24,220 obviously fully staffed we have three 314 00:15:30,690 --> 00:15:26,500 archaeologists geologists leading four 315 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:30,700 super teams and we are and we are not in 316 00:15:36,480 --> 00:15:33,370 any need of any help for this particular 317 00:15:39,840 --> 00:15:36,490 one but we are ready planning a fifth 318 00:15:41,250 --> 00:15:39,850 mm-hmm potentially into next year so 319 00:15:43,620 --> 00:15:41,260 then if that be the case they certainly 320 00:15:47,880 --> 00:15:43,630 could become you know a part of that 321 00:15:51,449 --> 00:15:47,890 project because it still comes down to 322 00:15:54,960 --> 00:15:51,459 you know we were constantly accused of 323 00:15:57,000 --> 00:15:54,970 being in this for the money well I'd 324 00:15:59,040 --> 00:15:57,010 like to break even someday yeah I mean 325 00:16:00,449 --> 00:15:59,050 Kevin Randall could verify this I mean 326 00:16:02,730 --> 00:16:00,459 for the first couple years of the 327 00:16:04,889 --> 00:16:02,740 investigation our phone bills between 328 00:16:07,079 --> 00:16:04,899 the two of us were averaging a thousand 329 00:16:08,940 --> 00:16:07,089 dollars a month yeah back because you 330 00:16:10,320 --> 00:16:08,950 did also expensive right you didn't 331 00:16:13,110 --> 00:16:10,330 that's right and we didn't have the 332 00:16:17,550 --> 00:16:13,120 internet and we had to literally we had 333 00:16:20,190 --> 00:16:17,560 the track down people and to suggest 334 00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:20,200 that after all this time it's become a 335 00:16:26,030 --> 00:16:22,450 cottage industry and we're just 336 00:16:29,790 --> 00:16:26,040 continuing to draw this out because 337 00:16:32,070 --> 00:16:29,800 we're dangling this carrot again we 338 00:16:34,260 --> 00:16:32,080 didn't dangle the carrot it's it's it's 339 00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:34,270 no different than as we have made every 340 00:16:43,560 --> 00:16:40,890 effort to establish the veracity of any 341 00:16:47,220 --> 00:16:43,570 documentation any eyewitness testimony 342 00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:47,230 that you open yourself up to such 343 00:16:51,900 --> 00:16:48,970 scrutiny just for the fact that you have 344 00:16:53,880 --> 00:16:51,910 to do certain things in public you have 345 00:16:55,949 --> 00:16:53,890 to submit Freedom of Information Act 346 00:16:59,579 --> 00:16:55,959 requests you'll go to corporations 347 00:17:03,720 --> 00:16:59,589 trying to demonstrate the authenticity 348 00:17:06,059 --> 00:17:03,730 of documents photographs and you'll seek 349 00:17:07,679 --> 00:17:06,069 out witnesses you'll go to a town you'll 350 00:17:10,790 --> 00:17:07,689 go to into a city and you'll start 351 00:17:13,710 --> 00:17:10,800 hunting around and asking questions and 352 00:17:15,929 --> 00:17:13,720 unfortunately as quickly as things get 353 00:17:19,669 --> 00:17:15,939 on the internet well things spill out 354 00:17:23,429 --> 00:17:19,679 and it creates all types of rumors and 355 00:17:25,949 --> 00:17:23,439 speculation and at least what I'd like 356 00:17:28,799 --> 00:17:25,959 to do and what I believe I've done let's 357 00:17:32,010 --> 00:17:28,809 dispense with the rumors let's allow 358 00:17:35,070 --> 00:17:32,020 this to play out and then allow whatever 359 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:35,080 evidence eventually comes out to stand 360 00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:37,650 on its own merit it shouldn't involve 361 00:17:44,280 --> 00:17:41,890 who presented it who owned it who 362 00:17:47,010 --> 00:17:44,290 researched it I mean it will stand on 363 00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:47,020 its own merit it's no different than if 364 00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:49,690 the town drunk should happen to come up 365 00:17:52,820 --> 00:17:50,410 with a pee 366 00:17:56,630 --> 00:17:52,830 a physical debris of a flying saucer 367 00:18:00,090 --> 00:17:56,640 does it matter if it came who came from 368 00:18:01,740 --> 00:18:00,100 again it will speak for itself that's 369 00:18:03,870 --> 00:18:01,750 right it's funny you mention that I was 370 00:18:07,020 --> 00:18:03,880 talking to a guy that researched and 371 00:18:09,630 --> 00:18:07,030 discovered an unknown da Vinci painting 372 00:18:11,670 --> 00:18:09,640 and he basically said exactly the same 373 00:18:14,010 --> 00:18:11,680 thing he said it doesn't matter if it 374 00:18:17,100 --> 00:18:14,020 belongs to the town drunk a thief or 375 00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:17,110 anyone it stands on its own I was right 376 00:18:21,570 --> 00:18:19,330 I love the parallel there hey thanks so 377 00:18:24,780 --> 00:18:21,580 much Don I really barking we will keep 378 00:18:28,230 --> 00:18:24,790 you informed and stay and stay with me 379 00:18:31,950 --> 00:18:28,240 as well and I appreciate because you're 380 00:18:34,710 --> 00:18:31,960 at least one of the legitimate people 381 00:18:37,290 --> 00:18:34,720 who is contacted us just requesting our 382 00:18:40,560 --> 00:18:37,300 side of it now and we appreciate that 383 00:18:43,230 --> 00:18:40,570 because the rest are just Y stirring up 384 00:18:44,940 --> 00:18:43,240 the BS that's right alright thanks again 385 00:18:48,120 --> 00:18:44,950 Don and coming up in a few minutes is 386 00:19:07,830 --> 00:18:48,130 Steve Pearce enjoy this tune by Kerry 387 00:20:07,810 --> 00:19:18,320 you 388 00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:07,820 having me yeah thanks for thanks for 389 00:20:12,340 --> 00:20:08,810 joining us we're going to talk about 390 00:20:17,020 --> 00:20:12,350 your book in a moment here but still 391 00:20:19,630 --> 00:20:17,030 just to refresh the listeners mind here 392 00:20:21,670 --> 00:20:19,640 about who you are you were one of the 393 00:20:26,470 --> 00:20:21,680 witnesses that was with Travis Walton 394 00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:26,480 back November fifth 1975 when that whole 395 00:20:30,940 --> 00:20:28,730 event happened and you were the youngest 396 00:20:33,190 --> 00:20:30,950 one of the was there seven people total 397 00:20:35,140 --> 00:20:33,200 it was three in the front seat warned 398 00:20:38,710 --> 00:20:35,150 back seat so you were the youngest at 399 00:20:42,940 --> 00:20:38,720 that time 17 you lied about your age get 400 00:20:45,130 --> 00:20:42,950 a job and you know I can remember what I 401 00:20:48,550 --> 00:20:45,140 was like at that young age very 402 00:20:52,660 --> 00:20:48,560 impressionable kind of scared about 403 00:20:54,190 --> 00:20:52,670 different things what on earth did you 404 00:20:56,530 --> 00:20:54,200 were what on earth were you thinking 405 00:20:58,780 --> 00:20:56,540 when you came around that corner first 406 00:21:01,090 --> 00:20:58,790 of all in the truck and saw that craft 407 00:21:05,290 --> 00:21:01,100 just sitting there I mean what went 408 00:21:06,340 --> 00:21:05,300 through your mind I thought at first you 409 00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:06,350 know when you first thought it's 410 00:21:10,690 --> 00:21:09,050 beautiful I mean it was the prettiest 411 00:21:12,340 --> 00:21:10,700 thing you ever seen it was really it was 412 00:21:15,490 --> 00:21:12,350 I mean you just looked at it and it was 413 00:21:19,590 --> 00:21:15,500 like your wow man is this really what 414 00:21:24,900 --> 00:21:19,600 we're seeing here yeah and then when 415 00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:24,910 when Travis got out and got zapped it 416 00:21:32,470 --> 00:21:30,290 the it went into like you know Tara you 417 00:21:33,790 --> 00:21:32,480 know yeah I mean we were all scared to 418 00:21:35,710 --> 00:21:33,800 death we thought the I thought the world 419 00:21:37,660 --> 00:21:35,720 was coming to an end and you know I've 420 00:21:39,370 --> 00:21:37,670 heard other people say that about events 421 00:21:42,220 --> 00:21:39,380 they think the world is coming to an end 422 00:21:45,070 --> 00:21:42,230 when they see things like that happen so 423 00:21:48,540 --> 00:21:45,080 were you it was complete panic in the 424 00:21:50,550 --> 00:21:48,550 truck and go go go and home will 425 00:21:52,380 --> 00:21:50,560 with respect when the spaceships are 426 00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:52,390 rocking back and forth yeah it started 427 00:21:57,390 --> 00:21:55,210 when bbbbbb penis loud pitchy noise came 428 00:22:00,780 --> 00:21:57,400 out and that's blue screen I came out in 429 00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:00,790 his apt Travis and and he hits the 430 00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:02,290 ground I seen him hit the ground as soon 431 00:22:06,630 --> 00:22:04,570 as I said he hits the ground I said they 432 00:22:08,730 --> 00:22:06,640 got him soon as I owe it out they got 433 00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:08,740 him Mike Rogers was driving he takes off 434 00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:13,210 and you know he leads him and we go 435 00:22:17,970 --> 00:22:14,770 about a quarter of a mile that we go to 436 00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:17,980 the main dirt road I mean we're hauling 437 00:22:22,890 --> 00:22:20,170 for a minute might keep saying look back 438 00:22:26,490 --> 00:22:22,900 I don't think anybody was looking back 439 00:22:27,870 --> 00:22:26,500 because because the truck was bouncing 440 00:22:33,630 --> 00:22:27,880 too much because i was going to fasten 441 00:22:39,660 --> 00:22:33,640 this jog road you know in so we stopped 442 00:22:43,620 --> 00:22:39,670 and in and uh we've seen it take off so 443 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:43,630 we saw it take off and then everybody's 444 00:22:47,250 --> 00:22:45,010 hollering each other I ain't saying 445 00:22:53,550 --> 00:22:47,260 nothing I never said much for a long 446 00:22:56,550 --> 00:22:53,560 time after that and they're arguing and 447 00:23:00,510 --> 00:22:56,560 let's go get the cops or let's go get 448 00:23:02,340 --> 00:23:00,520 help or just go do something you know in 449 00:23:03,810 --> 00:23:02,350 keeney peterson says you know we have to 450 00:23:05,580 --> 00:23:03,820 go back we have to go look for him we 451 00:23:10,380 --> 00:23:05,590 can you know now who was the one who 452 00:23:12,660 --> 00:23:10,390 thought he was incinerated one of the 453 00:23:15,450 --> 00:23:12,670 guys jumped out of the truck and said he 454 00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:15,460 was de sinner ated and I said no I seen 455 00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:16,810 him at the ground I know his body is 456 00:23:21,120 --> 00:23:18,610 there oh you're the one that said he saw 457 00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:21,130 you saw admit the ground yeah I saw the 458 00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:22,570 whole thing I seen him at the ground cuz 459 00:23:27,330 --> 00:23:24,970 I'm I'm the closest one to it oh you 460 00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:27,340 were yeah yeah I'm next to the window 461 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:29,410 Allen Dallas has the floorboard and so 462 00:23:32,910 --> 00:23:31,210 he's he's standing on the floorboard 463 00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:32,920 like this and I'm right like this and 464 00:23:37,260 --> 00:23:35,170 then kini Peterson's in the front seat 465 00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:37,270 right there yeah then Mike's over in the 466 00:23:43,139 --> 00:23:40,090 driver's side and then King John Goulet 467 00:23:47,789 --> 00:23:43,149 now Dwayne Smith they're behind me 468 00:23:50,999 --> 00:23:47,799 yeah so I'm the closest to the to the 469 00:23:54,599 --> 00:23:51,009 door and I don't think everybody's seen 470 00:23:56,219 --> 00:23:54,609 him get hit the ground early yep cuz you 471 00:23:57,779 --> 00:23:56,229 know you seen him at the ground I see 472 00:24:00,060 --> 00:23:57,789 him hit the ground and he bounced and he 473 00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:00,070 bounced back up and hit the ground and 474 00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:01,330 that's when I said they got him that's 475 00:24:05,729 --> 00:24:04,450 when we Mike took off now did your 476 00:24:08,729 --> 00:24:05,739 instant thought was that he was dead 477 00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:08,739 that he was dead yeah I thought he was 478 00:24:11,849 --> 00:24:10,210 dead for five days that's the reason the 479 00:24:14,669 --> 00:24:11,859 next day that when they were got that 480 00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:14,679 Posse and it to go look for him I hear 481 00:24:18,749 --> 00:24:16,690 that I got out the back door and hid all 482 00:24:20,339 --> 00:24:18,759 day and yeah I went into hiding because 483 00:24:23,039 --> 00:24:20,349 I thought that is gonna go out there and 484 00:24:26,129 --> 00:24:23,049 find a body huh and then you would be 485 00:24:27,959 --> 00:24:26,139 blamed for thien hau yeah so he's 17 486 00:24:29,700 --> 00:24:27,969 years old you wouldn't really be tried 487 00:24:31,379 --> 00:24:29,710 as an adult or you may have at that time 488 00:24:35,070 --> 00:24:31,389 there's only thing you could be Traddles 489 00:24:36,389 --> 00:24:35,080 adult and in the cops even told me two 490 00:24:38,999 --> 00:24:36,399 days after this happened they still 491 00:24:41,159 --> 00:24:39,009 ain't found Travis and I'm hiding going 492 00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:41,169 back through the back ways and stuff and 493 00:24:51,299 --> 00:24:48,690 this cop named flake the city cop um um 494 00:24:53,279 --> 00:24:51,309 he cancers me and puts me in the back of 495 00:24:57,450 --> 00:24:53,289 the cop car and he was telling me you 496 00:24:59,489 --> 00:24:57,460 know we know you didn't kill Travis but 497 00:25:02,549 --> 00:24:59,499 who did but we know you know who did 498 00:25:04,950 --> 00:25:02,559 yeah you know and for the we just don't 499 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:04,960 understand why you're keeping this such 500 00:25:09,149 --> 00:25:07,450 a big secret you know because in the 501 00:25:12,149 --> 00:25:09,159 state of Arizona we don't need a body to 502 00:25:14,609 --> 00:25:12,159 convict you and also instead of Arizona 503 00:25:16,229 --> 00:25:14,619 if you're with that person that does 504 00:25:18,180 --> 00:25:16,239 that crime you're just as guilty as the 505 00:25:20,339 --> 00:25:18,190 person who did the crime so they were 506 00:25:21,749 --> 00:25:20,349 trying to break you but yes yes that's 507 00:25:23,489 --> 00:25:21,759 recently took me the first one the bog 508 00:25:26,419 --> 00:25:23,499 rap test they figured i would i would 509 00:25:29,940 --> 00:25:26,429 crack under the pressure yeah yeah and 510 00:25:33,029 --> 00:25:29,950 that that whole polygraph test thing is 511 00:25:36,570 --> 00:25:33,039 totally amazing that everyone passed 512 00:25:39,239 --> 00:25:36,580 except Dallas was inconclusive at the 513 00:25:42,060 --> 00:25:39,249 time but later does he get mad yeah he 514 00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:42,070 passed it in 93 yeah he just got mad cuz 515 00:25:45,029 --> 00:25:43,690 they asking me if you killed Travis and 516 00:25:47,729 --> 00:25:45,039 why you ask me questions like this 517 00:25:50,789 --> 00:25:47,739 foreign is ripped everything on yeah I 518 00:25:54,029 --> 00:25:50,799 want to talk about what was it like for 519 00:25:55,319 --> 00:25:54,039 you when you got home that evening and 520 00:25:55,890 --> 00:25:55,329 you actually talked to your mother 521 00:25:57,750 --> 00:25:55,900 you're living 522 00:25:59,850 --> 00:25:57,760 your mother wanted to what did you say 523 00:26:01,170 --> 00:25:59,860 to her not did she know I took I took 524 00:26:02,850 --> 00:26:01,180 her to the bathroom because I didn't 525 00:26:05,250 --> 00:26:02,860 when I had a bunch of I have four little 526 00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:05,260 brothers yeah and you want them to hear 527 00:26:09,330 --> 00:26:06,850 so I took in the bathroom and because we 528 00:26:11,460 --> 00:26:09,340 lived in this apartment and told her 529 00:26:14,070 --> 00:26:11,470 what happened I don't think she really 530 00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:14,080 believed it at first I thought maybe was 531 00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:15,610 that may be some kind of a joke or 532 00:26:20,940 --> 00:26:18,490 something you know until the next 533 00:26:23,100 --> 00:26:20,950 morning when when the news reporters in 534 00:26:25,950 --> 00:26:23,110 the cops and we're coming to the door 535 00:26:27,900 --> 00:26:25,960 and that's when it hit reality you know 536 00:26:34,650 --> 00:26:27,910 she just we you know something's going 537 00:26:36,570 --> 00:26:34,660 on and the first day when I took off and 538 00:26:39,930 --> 00:26:36,580 hid all day I hit at a girlfriend's 539 00:26:43,020 --> 00:26:39,940 house and her mother came home and and 540 00:26:44,850 --> 00:26:43,030 I'm hiding in her bedroom and I can hear 541 00:26:46,500 --> 00:26:44,860 him talking and she's telling her 542 00:26:49,140 --> 00:26:46,510 daughter you got to stay away from that 543 00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:49,150 Steve Pearce boy because no town thinks 544 00:26:53,460 --> 00:26:51,490 that all them boys killed Travis and his 545 00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:53,470 body is out in that wood somewhere now 546 00:26:58,380 --> 00:26:55,890 this is a fairly small town at the time 547 00:27:00,390 --> 00:26:58,390 about how many people a couple thousand 548 00:27:02,430 --> 00:27:00,400 hundred thousand yeah so everybody 549 00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:02,440 basically knew everybody and and this 550 00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:06,250 time around pretty fast yeah again 551 00:27:09,390 --> 00:27:08,170 around really quick yeah if we 552 00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:09,400 backtracked us a little bit when you 553 00:27:12,570 --> 00:27:10,930 guys were heading in the truck and 554 00:27:15,630 --> 00:27:12,580 you're going to the diner or the bar 555 00:27:17,430 --> 00:27:15,640 wherever it was were you at one point 556 00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:17,440 trying to say let's not say anything 557 00:27:24,120 --> 00:27:21,250 what diner what bar oh I'm sorry it was 558 00:27:26,190 --> 00:27:24,130 in that movie that's not true okay when 559 00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:26,200 we came down the hill after we look for 560 00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:28,090 Travis we couldn't find him yeah we came 561 00:27:32,940 --> 00:27:31,090 off to Hill and the 1st phone booth is 562 00:27:36,590 --> 00:27:32,950 still there to the first phone booth we 563 00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:36,600 came hit when we hit the pavement was 564 00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:41,410 was a phone a phone substation its 565 00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:43,210 ability as a substation but you know 566 00:27:47,220 --> 00:27:44,410 it's not an office building but it's a 567 00:27:50,190 --> 00:27:47,230 you know yep and there was two phones 568 00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:50,200 there and that's where kini Peterson 569 00:27:56,430 --> 00:27:54,250 made the phone call and Mike was really 570 00:27:57,870 --> 00:27:56,440 upset when it happened so he was still 571 00:28:01,620 --> 00:27:57,880 upset time it came down the hill so 572 00:28:03,330 --> 00:28:01,630 Kenny calls yeah and um king called him 573 00:28:05,610 --> 00:28:03,340 and told him about a missing person he 574 00:28:08,250 --> 00:28:05,620 didn't say nothing about you know addy 575 00:28:08,690 --> 00:28:08,260 UFO or anything and then we drove from 576 00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:08,700 there 577 00:28:13,730 --> 00:28:10,650 into town a little bit of three blocks 578 00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:13,740 to the main drag so we met the cops out 579 00:28:22,340 --> 00:28:17,730 of gas station I see in the car it was 580 00:28:24,590 --> 00:28:22,350 like three showed up and it was a town 581 00:28:27,860 --> 00:28:24,600 he were share cop police officer 582 00:28:29,660 --> 00:28:27,870 whatever and then Gillespie's assistant 583 00:28:32,690 --> 00:28:29,670 showed up and sheriff Gillespie showed 584 00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:32,700 up later then Gillespie was telling him 585 00:28:42,380 --> 00:28:39,170 you know um that Mike has to go back and 586 00:28:45,770 --> 00:28:42,390 two other guys have to go back so kini 587 00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:45,780 Peterson and Allen Dallas went back me 588 00:28:53,900 --> 00:28:49,530 John glut and Dwayne Smith went back to 589 00:28:55,910 --> 00:28:53,910 snowflake hmm mm-hmm and so you were 590 00:28:57,530 --> 00:28:55,920 separated for a while all you guys were 591 00:28:59,450 --> 00:28:57,540 as I what you're saying that night oh 592 00:29:02,300 --> 00:28:59,460 that was just that night yeah it was the 593 00:29:04,370 --> 00:29:02,310 night I see yep and were you there at 594 00:29:06,290 --> 00:29:04,380 the when the first search was going on 595 00:29:08,030 --> 00:29:06,300 or did you know I was hiding oh that's 596 00:29:10,100 --> 00:29:08,040 when you start yes well I snuck out the 597 00:29:11,780 --> 00:29:10,110 back door and yeah anyway they were out 598 00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:11,790 there searching and john told me that 599 00:29:16,430 --> 00:29:14,850 that um everyone had a cop next to him 600 00:29:19,700 --> 00:29:16,440 the cops are telling you guys want what 601 00:29:21,110 --> 00:29:19,710 has confessed you know there's a lot of 602 00:29:22,430 --> 00:29:21,120 pressure on your turkey well I thought 603 00:29:23,690 --> 00:29:22,440 Travis was dead you think I'm gonna go 604 00:29:25,490 --> 00:29:23,700 out there with a hundred cops and they 605 00:29:28,510 --> 00:29:25,500 find a body yeah we'd never get away 606 00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:28,520 yeah yeah and we're talking to Arizona 607 00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:30,690 Arizona you're guilty until you're 608 00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:33,810 proven ISM that was there going to be 609 00:29:37,130 --> 00:29:35,610 another story you were gonna tell or 610 00:29:41,150 --> 00:29:37,140 you're always gonna tell about the UFO 611 00:29:43,910 --> 00:29:41,160 yeah katie peterson is a religious 612 00:29:45,830 --> 00:29:43,920 person yeah and he wasn't lied yeah and 613 00:29:47,870 --> 00:29:45,840 I don't think John glad would a lot 614 00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:47,880 either I think me and Alan Dallas and 615 00:29:55,310 --> 00:29:49,170 Dwayne Smith I think we all would have 616 00:29:57,200 --> 00:29:55,320 came up with a different know all the 617 00:29:59,480 --> 00:29:57,210 accounts that I've ever seen like nobody 618 00:30:01,250 --> 00:29:59,490 believes you but whether we're there 619 00:30:07,250 --> 00:30:01,260 people that actually stood by you and 620 00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:09,140 either I had people who tell me they 621 00:30:15,230 --> 00:30:12,210 didn't blame me or some people would 622 00:30:17,330 --> 00:30:15,240 never answer me yeah you know I mean 623 00:30:18,860 --> 00:30:17,340 instead of state to keep friends they 624 00:30:23,270 --> 00:30:18,870 wouldn't bring it up they wouldn't argue 625 00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:23,280 about it and yeah you know yeah but no I 626 00:30:28,220 --> 00:30:25,530 don't know very many people that I'm 627 00:30:29,990 --> 00:30:28,230 related to the blizzard back then yeah 628 00:30:32,210 --> 00:30:30,000 since I cannot start talking about it 629 00:30:36,230 --> 00:30:32,220 I've got all kinds of people who jumped 630 00:30:37,910 --> 00:30:36,240 on the bandwagon yeah you know mhm and 631 00:30:40,970 --> 00:30:37,920 now they're now her so I we always 632 00:30:43,550 --> 00:30:40,980 believed but yeah how I know who believe 633 00:30:47,090 --> 00:30:43,560 who didn't back then I want to talk 634 00:30:50,090 --> 00:30:47,100 about the time when you were offered 635 00:30:52,130 --> 00:30:50,100 some money to come forward and say that 636 00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:52,140 the whole thing was a hoax we have to 637 00:30:59,660 --> 00:30:55,530 happen I got married to another girl was 638 00:31:01,820 --> 00:30:59,670 old enough to buy me beer we still 17 639 00:31:04,490 --> 00:31:01,830 well I just turned 18 in back then you 640 00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:04,500 had to be 19 to buy beer sauce still not 641 00:31:10,370 --> 00:31:08,010 old enough to buy beer and well we moved 642 00:31:13,130 --> 00:31:10,380 to Taylor and that's the town next to 643 00:31:16,340 --> 00:31:13,140 snowflake and one day we live on a dirt 644 00:31:17,990 --> 00:31:16,350 road or one day a city cop of taylor cop 645 00:31:20,470 --> 00:31:18,000 came to the door is going down to 646 00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:20,480 corrode and we can hear him coming and 647 00:31:27,590 --> 00:31:26,490 my ex-wife goes the gym clicks coming 648 00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:27,600 down the road what'd you do this time 649 00:31:32,060 --> 00:31:29,250 you know he thought i was in trouble 650 00:31:35,420 --> 00:31:32,070 again and he comes the door he tells me 651 00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:35,430 he says Philip Glass said he'd give you 652 00:31:39,530 --> 00:31:36,930 ten thousand dollars if you say it was a 653 00:31:41,210 --> 00:31:39,540 hoax well at the time I just blew it off 654 00:31:42,530 --> 00:31:41,220 I didn't study was another news reporter 655 00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:42,540 you know I didn't know who Philip Glass 656 00:31:46,730 --> 00:31:45,090 really was until until two thousand nine 657 00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:46,740 when me and Travis started talking again 658 00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:49,050 so now this is you and Travis weren't 659 00:31:52,970 --> 00:31:50,970 talking for a while 35 years we never 660 00:31:55,540 --> 00:31:52,980 said a word to each other now that was 661 00:31:58,420 --> 00:31:55,550 so you're talking about this is a 662 00:32:00,500 --> 00:31:58,430 nineteen eighty ish or close to that 663 00:32:03,590 --> 00:32:00,510 when you were offered this money and 664 00:32:06,740 --> 00:32:03,600 that was okay it started in 75 yeah and 665 00:32:09,410 --> 00:32:06,750 I was leaving and went went back to 666 00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:09,420 Texas cuz that's that's where my mom's 667 00:32:15,110 --> 00:32:12,210 family is all from and I went back to 668 00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:15,120 Texas and and didn't talk about it to my 669 00:32:18,260 --> 00:32:17,130 mom's relatives out there because they 670 00:32:18,899 --> 00:32:18,270 didn't believe it anyway because they're 671 00:32:22,409 --> 00:32:18,909 all 672 00:32:24,690 --> 00:32:22,419 Justin and I'm raised half Pentecostal 673 00:32:27,210 --> 00:32:24,700 and half southern baptists old my dad 674 00:32:30,299 --> 00:32:27,220 sides back Pentecostal mom's side 675 00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:30,309 Southern Baptist that's another reason i 676 00:32:33,810 --> 00:32:31,570 thought it was from the devil because 677 00:32:36,479 --> 00:32:33,820 way I was brought up you know because I 678 00:32:38,669 --> 00:32:36,489 was only 17 and you you only know what 679 00:32:39,810 --> 00:32:38,679 your parents your impressionable and you 680 00:32:41,999 --> 00:32:39,820 only only your parents has taught you 681 00:32:44,009 --> 00:32:42,009 mmm you know about religion and stuff so 682 00:32:47,070 --> 00:32:44,019 you go by what you know your parents 683 00:32:48,899 --> 00:32:47,080 have taught you and at first I thought 684 00:32:51,989 --> 00:32:48,909 it was from the devil but I don't 685 00:32:55,109 --> 00:32:51,999 believe this has anything to do with one 686 00:32:56,460 --> 00:32:55,119 it has nothing to do with the other you 687 00:32:59,729 --> 00:32:56,470 got these people out here believing all 688 00:33:03,769 --> 00:32:59,739 this is all from the devil you know his 689 00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:03,779 own in the Bible I have never worked 690 00:33:09,389 --> 00:33:06,690 disagree with that mm-hmm you know I 691 00:33:11,669 --> 00:33:09,399 don't believe one has to do with the 692 00:33:14,129 --> 00:33:11,679 other yeah so getting back to when he 693 00:33:16,049 --> 00:33:14,139 offered you the money how could you 694 00:33:17,969 --> 00:33:16,059 possibly turn that down that was a lot 695 00:33:20,070 --> 00:33:17,979 of money it was a lot money and when I 696 00:33:22,109 --> 00:33:20,080 moved to Texas he found out that i lived 697 00:33:24,029 --> 00:33:22,119 in texas and he started he started 698 00:33:26,549 --> 00:33:24,039 calling me in Texas saying I give you 699 00:33:28,940 --> 00:33:26,559 this money if you say it's a hoax and um 700 00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:28,950 one time he gets off the phone and I 701 00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:31,210 tell my ex-wife I says I'm just gonna 702 00:33:36,479 --> 00:33:34,450 take this money nobody loses anyway you 703 00:33:37,950 --> 00:33:36,489 know everyone still thinks were making 704 00:33:41,159 --> 00:33:37,960 all this up so might as well take the 705 00:33:43,979 --> 00:33:41,169 money and we're talking 70s you know I'm 706 00:33:49,619 --> 00:33:43,989 $10,000 back the huge to buy a house at 707 00:33:52,619 --> 00:33:49,629 most yeah and so next time he call I 708 00:33:54,599 --> 00:33:52,629 told him I says okay until it passes the 709 00:33:56,279 --> 00:33:54,609 only one I ever said it was oaks to but 710 00:33:58,169 --> 00:33:56,289 I had to say it to him to get the money 711 00:34:01,019 --> 00:33:58,179 and some way you're gonna get the money 712 00:34:04,919 --> 00:34:01,029 is to say so I told okay what do I do 713 00:34:11,940 --> 00:34:04,929 now so he flew to Texas and we met at a 714 00:34:14,010 --> 00:34:11,950 restaurant in um he told me I need to go 715 00:34:15,059 --> 00:34:14,020 back to Arizona find a generator or 716 00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:15,069 something when I told man you're gonna 717 00:34:19,950 --> 00:34:18,490 need a big generator this white got 718 00:34:21,629 --> 00:34:19,960 brighter and brighter and brighter and 719 00:34:23,710 --> 00:34:21,639 it's to pray who need to make me about 720 00:34:28,549 --> 00:34:23,720 two three big ones 721 00:34:30,619 --> 00:34:28,559 he looks at me and because he knew I was 722 00:34:33,109 --> 00:34:30,629 only saying it for the money yeah you 723 00:34:34,669 --> 00:34:33,119 know if I knew that only reason I'm 724 00:34:35,899 --> 00:34:34,679 saying is I want you the money and 725 00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:35,909 that's what I kept saying I want the 726 00:34:41,690 --> 00:34:38,970 money where I don't get the money so he 727 00:34:44,690 --> 00:34:41,700 left sand and I go back home and a 728 00:34:46,159 --> 00:34:44,700 couple nights later I was talking to my 729 00:34:47,299 --> 00:34:46,169 ex-wife and telling her what I did 730 00:34:51,139 --> 00:34:47,309 because she didn't want me to meet him 731 00:34:53,690 --> 00:34:51,149 anyway and she tells mrs. you really 732 00:34:56,030 --> 00:34:53,700 believe this happened and I said yeah 733 00:34:59,270 --> 00:34:56,040 you know I do so you're gonna sell 734 00:35:02,599 --> 00:34:59,280 yourself out because you're mad at Mike 735 00:35:05,299 --> 00:35:02,609 and you're mad at Mike and Travis you 736 00:35:07,690 --> 00:35:05,309 know because that was the main reason I 737 00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:07,700 was doing it to this too pissed him off 738 00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:11,970 and and she says well i'm not gonna 739 00:35:15,980 --> 00:35:13,770 spend the money if you do this so i 740 00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:15,990 started to avoiding him again you know 741 00:35:20,270 --> 00:35:17,490 she was right I shouldn't sell myself 742 00:35:24,770 --> 00:35:20,280 out this for her and she told me your 743 00:35:26,359 --> 00:35:24,780 day will come you know yeah and so I 744 00:35:33,799 --> 00:35:26,369 started avoiding him again and we moved 745 00:35:36,740 --> 00:35:33,809 to Utah in I got a phone call where I 746 00:35:38,630 --> 00:35:36,750 worked and they asked us to talk to me I 747 00:35:40,549 --> 00:35:38,640 didn't answer the phone so I don't know 748 00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:40,559 this is philip glass or not but he said 749 00:35:44,420 --> 00:35:42,210 I want to talk to to me about an 750 00:35:47,510 --> 00:35:44,430 incident happened in Arizona well it had 751 00:35:50,809 --> 00:35:47,520 to be him you know so then we moved to 752 00:35:52,870 --> 00:35:50,819 back to Arizona and I got divorced and I 753 00:35:56,059 --> 00:35:52,880 was living with my brother and his wife 754 00:35:57,920 --> 00:35:56,069 and Phillip class started calling them I 755 00:36:00,410 --> 00:35:57,930 don't know how they found his number hmm 756 00:36:02,450 --> 00:36:00,420 you know they started calling her and 757 00:36:05,420 --> 00:36:02,460 telling her i tell him i give him the 758 00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:05,430 money I give him the money didn't after 759 00:36:12,740 --> 00:36:08,450 that this is like three years went by 760 00:36:17,059 --> 00:36:12,750 maybe four and I just took off merizan 761 00:36:20,030 --> 00:36:17,069 hall together mm-hmm started a new life 762 00:36:21,950 --> 00:36:20,040 somewhere else yeah yeah I mean you were 763 00:36:23,720 --> 00:36:21,960 driving for a long time I went over the 764 00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:23,730 road that's what I did yeah mmm I 765 00:36:29,030 --> 00:36:26,130 couldn't stand one place very long yeah 766 00:36:30,710 --> 00:36:29,040 now how would you say that this whole 767 00:36:32,180 --> 00:36:30,720 thing has affected your life and you 768 00:36:34,420 --> 00:36:32,190 know the people's asked me that before 769 00:36:37,329 --> 00:36:34,430 but this has been my life 770 00:36:39,609 --> 00:36:37,339 yeah it happened at me an early age 771 00:36:41,620 --> 00:36:39,619 young you'd know it's been it's been my 772 00:36:45,190 --> 00:36:41,630 whole life yeah now have you tried to 773 00:36:46,839 --> 00:36:45,200 put it away for a while and I try to do 774 00:36:50,950 --> 00:36:46,849 that a couple times I thought I almost 775 00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:50,960 had it been um 10 years from the date I 776 00:36:56,500 --> 00:36:54,050 saw drivers get zapped I saw I saw four 777 00:36:59,260 --> 00:36:56,510 of them in they came to me and I was on 778 00:37:06,390 --> 00:36:59,270 the mill no no we're riding trains and 779 00:37:08,740 --> 00:37:06,400 being a bum and I stayed drunk a lot and 780 00:37:11,650 --> 00:37:08,750 they came to me and I talked to them 781 00:37:13,799 --> 00:37:11,660 that's when I sobered up and went to 782 00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:13,809 Mississippi and started driving truck 783 00:37:21,579 --> 00:37:18,410 Wow and then after that I seen him a few 784 00:37:24,250 --> 00:37:21,589 years after that this is my book yeah 785 00:37:26,980 --> 00:37:24,260 let's talk about your book about Yvonne 786 00:37:29,109 --> 00:37:26,990 Smith hypnotizing me and doing the 787 00:37:31,450 --> 00:37:29,119 regression I did five album I'm not 788 00:37:33,819 --> 00:37:31,460 gonna do no more fives enough she's got 789 00:37:36,490 --> 00:37:33,829 enough enough stuff came out because it 790 00:37:38,410 --> 00:37:36,500 wears me out yeah and then it kind of 791 00:37:39,940 --> 00:37:38,420 fixed me out for a few days visit you 792 00:37:42,940 --> 00:37:39,950 don't remember everything and then when 793 00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:42,950 you watch it you're whoa you know to 794 00:37:48,329 --> 00:37:46,130 reliving is very pious yeah yeah so 795 00:37:52,240 --> 00:37:48,339 let's what's the name of your book 796 00:37:53,770 --> 00:37:52,250 broken silence one man's journey and you 797 00:37:56,650 --> 00:37:53,780 said this is going to be re-published 798 00:37:58,900 --> 00:37:56,660 now yes is it available to anyone now or 799 00:38:03,309 --> 00:37:58,910 is it hello I'm get I got a few books 800 00:38:04,690 --> 00:38:03,319 with me that then after that you're 801 00:38:06,789 --> 00:38:04,700 gonna have to wait a couple months it's 802 00:38:08,109 --> 00:38:06,799 going to be out on everywhere you can 803 00:38:10,180 --> 00:38:08,119 get it through the book you know on the 804 00:38:12,130 --> 00:38:10,190 internet stuff by the same title yeah 805 00:38:13,780 --> 00:38:12,140 I'm keeping the same title in the same 806 00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:13,790 cover but I'm just gotta pull up Usher 807 00:38:18,069 --> 00:38:15,170 and a writer who's going to redo the 808 00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:18,079 whole thing and you know the book i have 809 00:38:27,039 --> 00:38:25,010 now me and my ex-wife we put it together 810 00:38:29,500 --> 00:38:27,049 and we got an artist to draw the 811 00:38:32,079 --> 00:38:29,510 pictures for us and everything but it's 812 00:38:34,809 --> 00:38:32,089 and then we went to a printer to print 813 00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:34,819 the book out the books on eyes but it's 814 00:38:40,930 --> 00:38:39,650 it's just written by me talking so well 815 00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:40,940 i'm looking forward to read it i bought 816 00:38:45,220 --> 00:38:43,010 on your books you gave me a nice 817 00:38:46,740 --> 00:38:45,230 discount why i miss built them i meant 818 00:38:53,190 --> 00:38:46,750 spilled a couple words and 819 00:38:55,020 --> 00:38:53,200 oh yeah it'll be great to read what i 820 00:38:57,630 --> 00:38:55,030 would call the raw you know the raw 821 00:38:59,580 --> 00:38:57,640 version of you pouring your heart out so 822 00:39:01,590 --> 00:38:59,590 I'm really excited to read it so now we 823 00:39:02,910 --> 00:39:01,600 talked about things up to this date what 824 00:39:06,420 --> 00:39:02,920 do you think the future is going to be 825 00:39:08,070 --> 00:39:06,430 of this whole case I mean it's to me 826 00:39:13,700 --> 00:39:08,080 it's one of the most believable cases 827 00:39:19,500 --> 00:39:13,710 out there in 93 I was in a truck stop 828 00:39:22,260 --> 00:39:19,510 getting fuel in i wouldn't pay for from 829 00:39:23,910 --> 00:39:22,270 fuel then i went to the restroom and on 830 00:39:28,770 --> 00:39:23,920 the way out i went through the TV room 831 00:39:30,720 --> 00:39:28,780 and they was Travis Walton on HBO talked 832 00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:30,730 about fire in the sky well and that's 833 00:39:35,250 --> 00:39:32,890 how I knew they made a movie really 834 00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:35,260 that's how you found out yes Wow yeah it 835 00:39:39,330 --> 00:39:37,450 took lock in the morning you know he's 836 00:39:42,270 --> 00:39:39,340 on HBO talking about fire in the sky and 837 00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:42,280 I'm whoa man that kept me awake i was 838 00:39:53,580 --> 00:39:44,050 going to New Orleans I was a day and a 839 00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:53,590 half early for my load but I never knew 840 00:39:58,020 --> 00:39:55,930 it really got this big I didn't even 841 00:40:00,480 --> 00:39:58,030 know they was they even had UFO 842 00:40:03,390 --> 00:40:00,490 conferences until to you till 2011 843 00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:03,400 really well yeah I stayed away from it 844 00:40:09,450 --> 00:40:06,010 all I I drove truck and I stayed out 845 00:40:14,130 --> 00:40:09,460 there and and I never watched the movie 846 00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:14,140 fire this guy until 2008-2009 my family 847 00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:16,210 sat down and watched it with with my 848 00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:22,570 daughter and my ex-wife and um and my 849 00:40:26,430 --> 00:40:24,010 daughter was saying you know I said 850 00:40:28,890 --> 00:40:26,440 Henry Thomas that's me well why did they 851 00:40:32,490 --> 00:40:28,900 change your name I don't know but that's 852 00:40:34,770 --> 00:40:32,500 me he was one prove it so um I got ahold 853 00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:34,780 of Travis and Travis enter a book and a 854 00:40:41,010 --> 00:40:38,410 poster and autographed everything and so 855 00:40:42,300 --> 00:40:41,020 she she she was her idea you need to get 856 00:40:44,460 --> 00:40:42,310 out and start talking about this telling 857 00:40:49,710 --> 00:40:44,470 people yeah then I was going to get out 858 00:40:53,010 --> 00:40:49,720 of it in 2012 yeah but we're not yeah 859 00:40:55,650 --> 00:40:53,020 because Robert shaper I think I got his 860 00:40:58,530 --> 00:40:55,660 name right well he got up and called me 861 00:40:59,760 --> 00:40:58,540 a liar about about um Philip Philip 862 00:41:01,550 --> 00:40:59,770 Glass offered me that money 863 00:41:07,230 --> 00:41:01,560 you're lying you're making all this up 864 00:41:08,700 --> 00:41:07,240 well um I don't need that yeah you don't 865 00:41:12,570 --> 00:41:08,710 believe me you know I'm not gonna get up 866 00:41:14,340 --> 00:41:12,580 and argue with people and I almost came 867 00:41:17,430 --> 00:41:14,350 off the stage not just a little ass out 868 00:41:20,340 --> 00:41:17,440 but I got so many emails so many piece 869 00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:20,350 of art for support you know they put it 870 00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:23,890 on open minds me there's two videos the 871 00:41:27,930 --> 00:41:26,170 first one by our minds that show me tell 872 00:41:30,150 --> 00:41:27,940 me I'm gonna get out of this yeah and 873 00:41:32,100 --> 00:41:30,160 and then yet another one showing all 874 00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:32,110 these people send me emails and messages 875 00:41:40,140 --> 00:41:34,090 and stuff and telling me keep talking 876 00:41:42,870 --> 00:41:40,150 about it but a robbery we even wrote an 877 00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:42,880 article about me it's on you look up my 878 00:41:47,460 --> 00:41:45,010 name Steve Pearce fire in the sky on the 879 00:41:48,570 --> 00:41:47,470 internet you can find his article in 880 00:41:53,310 --> 00:41:48,580 there too because everything comes in my 881 00:41:59,210 --> 00:41:53,320 name you know yeah yeah but his facts 882 00:42:02,640 --> 00:41:59,220 wrong um Travis's first book came out in 883 00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:02,650 77 I think so yeah okay in the his first 884 00:42:08,190 --> 00:42:05,770 book he mentions that about the money 885 00:42:10,830 --> 00:42:08,200 the phila cost alpha me Philip Glass was 886 00:42:13,050 --> 00:42:10,840 alive and kicking right when the first 887 00:42:14,370 --> 00:42:13,060 book came out and if Travis would have 888 00:42:16,050 --> 00:42:14,380 wrote something in a book that way they 889 00:42:17,460 --> 00:42:16,060 didn't like each other and if it 890 00:42:19,380 --> 00:42:17,470 wouldn't chew a Philip Glass would have 891 00:42:23,310 --> 00:42:19,390 came in charging you would think so you 892 00:42:24,570 --> 00:42:23,320 know i tol or so yeah yeah so if this 893 00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:24,580 wasn't true why didn't he say anything 894 00:42:31,740 --> 00:42:27,690 when he was alive right you know and 895 00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:31,750 also I can prove the cop came to my door 896 00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:34,570 I'm you know I have a police officer 897 00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:36,850 named Jim click the lives in Taylor 898 00:42:41,940 --> 00:42:39,490 Arizona you know they came to the door 899 00:42:44,670 --> 00:42:41,950 ya know he just want to gave the message 900 00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:44,680 well if I'm lyin how come I got always 901 00:42:51,300 --> 00:42:48,010 you know I have enough proof that he 902 00:42:53,100 --> 00:42:51,310 actually all offered me this money you 903 00:42:55,830 --> 00:42:53,110 know he thinks I don't he thinks I'm 904 00:42:59,430 --> 00:42:55,840 making it all up and why would someone 905 00:43:01,350 --> 00:42:59,440 make that up really doesn't make sense I 906 00:43:03,660 --> 00:43:01,360 mean another thing when this first 907 00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:03,670 happened Mike Rogers found out that I 908 00:43:08,190 --> 00:43:06,610 don't know how my crown he found out 909 00:43:11,190 --> 00:43:08,200 that that 910 00:43:13,980 --> 00:43:11,200 Philip Glass offered me the money and he 911 00:43:15,300 --> 00:43:13,990 even sent in public that Steve takes 912 00:43:18,900 --> 00:43:15,310 that money he's not going to enjoy it 913 00:43:21,060 --> 00:43:18,910 yeah you know yeah threaten to kick my 914 00:43:23,310 --> 00:43:21,070 ass yeah I don't think he got done it 915 00:43:25,410 --> 00:43:23,320 wait have you spoke with the other 916 00:43:27,510 --> 00:43:25,420 people that was involved in that Mike 917 00:43:30,270 --> 00:43:27,520 Rogers for instance um I haven't seen 918 00:43:32,430 --> 00:43:30,280 Mike Rogers since about three four 919 00:43:34,079 --> 00:43:32,440 months after that happened really seemed 920 00:43:35,910 --> 00:43:34,089 John Glenn I talk to him all the time 921 00:43:38,220 --> 00:43:35,920 and I haven't seen kini Peterson to 922 00:43:40,140 --> 00:43:38,230 Wayne Smith and the last time I seen 923 00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:40,150 hallandale is Alan Alan's passed away I 924 00:43:45,420 --> 00:43:42,010 heard that yeah we were in jail together 925 00:43:48,270 --> 00:43:45,430 [\h__\h] about 23 years after this happened 926 00:43:52,609 --> 00:43:48,280 early you know yes recently left Arizona 927 00:43:54,660 --> 00:43:52,619 man it's just easily too crazy yeah in 928 00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:54,670 and we sit there and we talked about 929 00:43:59,430 --> 00:43:56,530 this all one night while we're in jail 930 00:44:01,079 --> 00:43:59,440 together and um it's in my book why I 931 00:44:05,069 --> 00:44:01,089 went to jail and everything don't worry 932 00:44:09,900 --> 00:44:05,079 it's nothing yeah he's been a free man 933 00:44:11,940 --> 00:44:09,910 now hey yeah I have moved in Arizona for 934 00:44:15,540 --> 00:44:11,950 35 years and I haven't been no trouble 935 00:44:16,890 --> 00:44:15,550 yeah that's great okay it's I get 936 00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:16,900 paranoid when I go there I want somebody 937 00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:26,050 else to drive they know I'm in town well 938 00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:27,970 Steve thanks so much well thank you for 939 00:44:31,620 --> 00:44:29,890 having me it was nice meeting you yes 940 00:44:34,559 --> 00:44:31,630 and again the name of your book one more 941 00:44:39,290 --> 00:44:34,569 time um broken silence one man's journey 942 00:44:44,910 --> 00:44:39,300 um my email steve pearce at hotmail com 943 00:44:46,890 --> 00:44:44,920 st e ve dot P I erce at hotmail com and 944 00:44:49,050 --> 00:44:46,900 thank you for having me thank you thank 945 00:44:50,490 --> 00:44:49,060 you for listening to our show and please 946 00:44:53,940 --> 00:44:50,500 remember to check out our website 947 00:44:57,180 --> 00:44:53,950 podcast UFO calm for the latest blogs 948 00:44:59,400 --> 00:44:57,190 and forums will be back next week thanks